Asami you’re pretty, but you gotta know when and where’s the right place to start shit. sigh. arghhhh. Pretty people have a way of doing stuff I can’t comprehend.
I don’t see her bringing up Mako’s actions during a fight, do you? I don’t see her bringing it up when Korra was missing, do you?
I see her bringing it up when Mako walks in the kitchen while her and Pema were washing dishes, asking for them to boil some more water to make tea.
I’m sorry, but how was that an inappropriate time to bring up his cheating heart?
They were eating a meal and it was a more relaxed peaceful atmosphere, Korra was back, safe, and she was recuperated.
When is an appropriate time for Asami to bring up Mako cheating on her? After him and Korra come back from their honeymoon?
They were going into a war, Asami already had enough doubts and trouble on her plate, it was one of the few freaking down times they had, probably one of the only times she had left (for all she knew) that she’d ever have a chance at trying to resolve things with her boyfriend. Asami DESERVED an explanation, that her boyfriend outright refused to give her and passed blame off onto his brother for letting Asami know the truth!
Seriously, Makorra is grating enough as it is with it’s bad writing…but you guys can happily have that canon ship I don’t care. I’ll leave the shippers alone to happily ship it peace because that is your right. Ship and let ship after all.
But if you insist on dragging Asami with your ridiculousness when she done nothing to deserve it, is where I draw the line.
She was one of the few descent human beings in this show, and she was surprisingly VERY forgiving of the people that burned her and insisted on being nice to them.
She didn’t even call Mako names or act caddy or anything. She demanded an explanation…the truth, from his lips, something that she freaking deserves.
She wasn’t petty to Korra, the person who KISSED her boyfriend behind her back and didn’t tell her, and was nothing but a supportive friend to the Avatar.
SHE’S THE ONE STARTING CRAP?!?!?!
Oh no honey….Our dear protagonist the Avatar was the one starting drama by being rude and childish behind Asami’s back, judging the girl before she hardly even knew her simply because she was jealous, moved in on that boy behind said girls back, and then kept the truth hidden from said girl.
And the source and cause for all of that said drama also can be directed to the darling golden child…Mako. For putting blame on his brother, bouncing back and forth between Asami and Korra…and treating Asami and Korra and Bolin, THEY’RE the ones to blame for all that, not any of it his or any blame he shares, one way or another, in different situations.
But yes…let’s keep putting the blame on one of the few selfless people in this show who sacrificed so much for Korra and Mako, and yet still ends up alone for all her troubles.
Oh, hey, it’s this same fucking Avatwihard again.
Since you seem not to have seen the same show that the rest of us did, and probably won’t read angelrin89’s post? Yes, the shit in question was started by someone pretty…and his name is Mako. In fact, not only did he start it (with his jealous tantrum in “The Spirit of Competition,” to be exact) but he was the primary perpetuator of it from there on out, and actually pretty much fucking embodied it.
Mako is not even a character. He is a walking pyrokinetic wellspring of drama. (Korra was pretty disappointing in her own right…but I blame that primarily on her getting undermined by the rush to pamper the fucking Marty Sam.)
The OP posted something of a retraction post here: http://suzumiya-akemi.tumblr.com/post/51129249574/yeah-sorry-guys-about-the-asami-thing-i-was-just
where they said that they have a love-hate relationship with Asami and loved her character but were jealous of how pretty she was. Okay…then why not just say that you’re jealous of Asami’s prettiness, instead of blaming all the drama that Korra and mostly Mako started on her? I mean, if you like Asami’s character then why try to blame her for the romance drama that she didn’t even start?
OH MY GOD. ASAMI. Can you not tell that shit is going down?! GET OUTTA HERE AND TAKE YOUR DAMN LOVE DRAMA ALONG.
yeah asami, take your love drama along with you, you know that drama that you didn’t even start. That love drama that only happened bc Mako is a cheating asshole and chose not to tell you anything about it and string you along.
god asami, you’re so selfish, you dont deserve to have your own problems. get out of the way.
and also please stfu about your father, nobody cares that your father just happens to be the exact same person offering his vast financial and technological resources to fund the violent uprising that’s endangering the lives of everyone in republic city, nobody cares that one day you’ll inherit all of those resources and you’ll have to contend directly with the sociopolitical aftermath of all the atrocities endorsed by your father, that is all so irrelevant to the big picture
asami please stop acting like a 18-year-old girl would realistically behave like if her entire life was turned upside down and her so-called friends not only neglected to give her any emotional support but flat-out lied to her and never properly apologized for it
god asami you’re sooooooo selfish
It’s funny (or at least laughable) how these Avatwihards always blame Asami for the love drama when Mako embodied it. As in, once the pro-bending arc was completed, he had no other purpose unless someone else got worfed in order to make him look good.
Exactly. Plus, when Asami actually said something about Mako’s shitty behavior, it was when everyone was just chilling around the Air Temple having breakfast. Nothing was going down.
But yeah, let’s blame Asami for the romance drama and not the person who actively embodies it, Mako. That’s logical.
For months, every morning when my daughter was in preschool, I watched her construct an elaborate castle out of blocks, colorful plastic discs, bits of rope, ribbons and feathers, only to have the same little boy gleefully destroy it within seconds of its completion.
No matter how many times he did it, his parents never swooped in BEFORE the morning’s live 3-D reenactment of “Invasion of AstroMonster.” This is what they’d say repeatedly:
“You know! Boys will be boys!”
“He’s just going through a phase!”
“He’s such a boy! He LOVES destroying things!”
“Oh my god! Girls and boys are SO different!”
“He. Just. Can’t. Help himself!”
I tried to teach my daughter how to stop this from happening. She asked him politely not to do it. We talked about some things she might do. She moved where she built. She stood in his way. She built a stronger foundation to the castle, so that, if he did get to it, she wouldn’t have to rebuild the whole thing. In the meantime, I imagine his parents thinking, “What red-blooded boy wouldn’t knock it down?”
She built a beautiful, glittery castle in a public space.
It was so tempting.
He just couldn’t control himself and, being a boy, had violent inclinations.
Her consent didn’t matter. Besides, it’s not like she made a big fuss when he knocked it down. It wasn’t a “legitimate” knocking over if she didn’t throw a tantrum.
His desire — for power, destruction, control, whatever- - was understandable.
Maybe she “shouldn’t have gone to preschool” at all. OR, better if she just kept her building activities to home.
I know it’s a lurid metaphor, but I taught my daughter the preschool block precursor of don’t “get raped” and this child, Boy #1, did not learn the preschool equivalent of “don’t rape.”
Not once did his parents talk to him about invading another person’s space and claiming for his own purposes something that was not his to claim. Respect for her and her work and words was not something he was learning. How much of the boy’s behavior in coming years would be excused in these ways, be calibrated to meet these expectations and enforce the “rules” his parents kept repeating?
There was another boy who, similarly, decided to knock down her castle one day. When he did it his mother took him in hand, explained to him that it was not his to destroy, asked him how he thought my daughter felt after working so hard on her building and walked over with him so he could apologize. That probably wasn’t much fun for him, but he did not do it again.
There was a third child. He was really smart. He asked if he could knock her building down. She, beneficent ruler of all pre-circle-time castle construction, said yes… but only after she was done building it and said it was OK. They worked out a plan together and eventually he started building things with her and they would both knock the thing down with unadulterated joy. You can’t make this stuff up.
Take each of these three boys and consider what he might do when he’s older, say, at college, drunk at a party, mad at an ex-girlfriend who rebuffs him and uses words that she expects will be meaningful and respecte, “No, I don’t want to. Stop. Leave.”
The “overarching attitudinal characteristic” of abusive men is entitlement.
Asked by Anonymous
I think I might know what image you’re talking about, but I’d have to see it to be sure. Anyway, I’d hope that it’s Tenzin because Mako really doesn’t need anymore pampering/special snowflake abilities from the narrative. At least Tenzin going to the Spirit World would make some sense, as Tenzin is a spiritual person.
So, I would hope that it’s Tenzin because we really don’t need more of Mako being pampered by the narrative and getting abilities that don’t make sense. Not to mention, at least Tenzin’s relationship with Korra was actually interesting when they were bothering to develop it in the first few episodes, so if they have to have someone go with her, it should be Tenzin.
All these Harry Potter/DBZ crossovers are awesome! Click on the source link, there’s a few more pictures. As for Chi-Chi being a Beater on the Quidditch team, I could totally see that but I’m not sure that regulations allow for a club with spikes. Ravenclaw does seem like a good house for Bulma too. Also liked the inclusion if the Ginyu frog.
Well, that sucks. I liked all the RTD companions and yeah, not surprised by the sexism. I read an interview where Moffat said the reason that the Doctor left Rose in Pete’s World with his clone was because Rose was “too clingy” which is about as far from the truth as you can get. (Granted, I was pissed that they didn’t have the Doctor explain to Rose why this was the best way to resolve things and this became another example of the Doctor taking away the freedom of choice away from one of his companions. And then he gets all bitchy when Amy does the same exact thing to him in the episode with the space whale.)
I have seen series 5, like once and none of series 6, so I guess if I’m ever really bored I’ll watch it. I take it that Amy left if this Clara person is the new main companion. (No, you don’t have to tell me what happened.)
And while I have mixed feelings about River, it never seemed like she was jealous of the companions before, so if that’s what’s going on now, than no. Just no.
From what you said, it does sound like Moffat is bringing some fail when it comes to creating someone similar to Donna. Because, the best thing about Donna was that she stood up for herself and would actually call the Doctor out on his bs, which is something that really needed to happen. Someone who does what the Doctor says all the time and doesn’t ever point out his mistakes really isn’t like Donna at all.
Donna took none of the Doctor’s BS and she made him a better person in the process; that’s why she’s one of my favourite companions, along with Martha.
That is an actual thing Moffat said in an interview about Rose (which makes me wonder why he only called back David Tennant and Billie Piper for the 50th Anniversary, but then, I know that a lot of the living actors either just haven’t been contacted or weren’t able to). Rose is admittedly my least favourite of the RTD companions, but that’s more because Martha and Donna were subsequently given a lot of shit by the narrative while Rose had a lot tailored to her. I really loved Rose when I first started watching in 2005, I think she’s fantastic with Nine, but then Ten comes around and everthing, literally… is about Rose, to the extent that Ten ignores and mistreats Martha until Donna kicks him into shape.
I love Amy in the beginning, but then Moffat literally did everything he could to tear down, destroy, and ruin what was great about her character. Her departure was absolutely awful, and something you really don’t need, that I don’t think any one needs.
I’ve been watching this show for eight years and all it does now is make me angry.
That really sucks. Why must these writers ruin things for us? I haven’t been watching Doctor Who for nearly that long; I don’t get into it until late 2009 or so but I agree with a lot of what you say. I’m not sure if I really have a favorite RTD companion, but you’re right that they kind of made everything about Rose and that the Doctor’s attitude to Martha wasn’t okay. Yes, it’s fine for him to be sad about Rose being trapped in a parallel universe and fine for him to be hesitant about taking on new companions, but a lot of his attitude was not okay. And yes, while I like Rose she didn’t have to deal with nearly as much hardship or crap from the narrative as Donna and Martha did.
I think a lot of the blame lies with the writers, as they have a tenancy to write characters who are either in love with the Doctor (like Jack, Rose, and Martha) or otherwise wouldn’t feasibly want to leave because of other reasons (like Donna). This is a problem because many of the actresses and actors who play the companions only want to stay on for one or two series and then the writers have to have something catastrophic happen to write the character off most of the time.
You’re right about how Donna calling the Doctor out on his bs was refreshing and it gave the Doctor some much needed positive character growth. I also liked that Donna wasn’t into the Doctor romantically like many of the other characters and that up until Journey’s End they had one of the best m/f platonic friendships that I’ve seen.
I do want to catch up on this show, but it will probably make my angry just like it did to you. And I have plenty of rage of LOK and arguing with DBZ fanbrats. And not to mention, I’m still planning on watching book 2 of LOK whenever it comes out. (I would guess probably in the fall.)
Submitted by thebouzinator.
Yamcha was always looking at other women which is the reason why they broke up the relationship and they weren’t officially together when she went for Vegeta.
Serious question: When did Yamcha ever? When was it shown that he was “always looking at other women”? Secondly, even if he was, what’s wrong with looking? Everyone does it every now and then. Doesn’t mean they’re a cheater. I mean, did he actually try to date or even TALK to any of these women? No.
Didn’t Future Trunks say that Yamcha cheated on Bulma? When he first told Goku about being Bulma and Vegeta’ son..
Right, because there’s no way that Future Trunks, the son of Bulma and Vegeta, could possibly be a biased source or anything and it makes perfect sense to believe that “Yamcha cheated” is canon based on the flimsy evidence presented by a third-hand biased source who wasn’t even born yet.
Now without the sarcasm, Future Trunks does say that Yamcha was “a bit of a playboy”, but then follows it up with the phrase, “something like that I think”, which indicates that Future Trunks has no flipping clue as to whether or not what he’s saying is even true. Shortly afterwards, Goku brings up the idea of Bulma having a baby, and Yamcha gets really giddy about the idea of settling down with Bulma and being married to her and having a kid with her. Why include that scene if not to refute the idea that Yamcha was unfaithful? Yamcha’s behavior in that scene was not the behavior of someone who isn’t committed to his girlfriend. Bulma is the one who isn’t all that committed to her relationship with Yamcha anymore and is the one who isn’t really into settling down or getting married. Which is completely fine and doesn’t make her a whore, because surprise, surprise, a woman can end a relationship with her current significant other and then end up in a relationship with someone new and a woman could also be happy with not being married. Who would have thought?
Bulma and Yamcha would fight a lot and breakup periodically and the idea that they finally had a mutual breakup makes more sense than a bunch of drama involving either Yamcha or Bulma or both of them sleeping around. Bulma and Yamcha seem to get along well as friends and Yamcha seems to get along with both Baby Trunks and Future Trunks. Hell, after Future Trunks dies, Yamcha carries around his body until he’s wished back to life.
tl;dr Any “evidence” about Yamcha cheating comes from a third-hand biased source who doesn’t have a flipping clue if that’s what happened in the first place. Now, I understand that many people have only seen the Funimation dub, which pulled some character derailment on Yamcha and used the “playboy Yamcha” idea and also turned him into an overly cocky surfer dude. But in the Japanese version, Yamcha seems more committed to his relationship with Bulma than Bulma ever was. But, that doesn’t make Bulma a whore, it just means that she wants different things in her relationship and that the OP is a sexist douchebag.
(I’m also pretty sure that the reason B/V happened in the first place was as a plot device so that Future Trunks can exist and also because of angry sex, but the stated reason that canon gives us is some bizarre form of pity on Bulma’s part combined with Vegeta occasionally showing his non-evil side. Nothing to do with powerlevels.)
Submitted by thebouzinator.
Oh my lanta…
Please, don’t bash the OP for this guys. Please, don’t.
Yeah. That makes sense. A woman in her early thirties who has been dealing with her unfaithful and noncommitting boyfriend since her teens is a whore because she got tired of his shitty behavior. She had a one night stand with this dude, had a kid—if Yamcha still wanted a part of that, he could have tried. I’m pretty sure the two of them mutually broke up because Yamcha is still her friend and never badmouths her.
But, no, she’s a whore because she moved on from her teen love and found a new love interest. Bulma what a bad, bad character you are.
unfaithful and not committing, huh?
We’re shown in the series, it was Bulma had different views on marriage and romance, that was probably why they split up.
I’m not defending the confession, but people shouldn’t bash Yamcha.
When Goku made the comment about Bulma having a healthy baby, Yamcha got all giddy saying maybe it WAS time for them to settle down. However, right before that, it was kind of plainly stated that Bulma didn’t want to settle down.
Trunks: But, they never get married…..you know how she is….
Goku: Actually, I don’t. But it IS hard to picture her married.
However, that’s not to say she’s a whore. I don’t think that. Though she can be a little shallow at times, she’s far from whore because we see that she has a legitimate interest in Vegeta for what’s inside because she sees he isn’t as evil as she thought.
I wouldn’t ever defend this confession either, but there’s no need to bash Yamcha in order to make Bulma look good or to explain why OP’s comments are misogynistic bullshit. Funny thing, I ended up talking about this fandom’s idiotic tenancy to demonize either Bulma or Yamcha when it comes to this off-screen love triangle: http://demonpyromaniac.tumblr.com/post/50923990432/then-what-do-you-think-of-the-people-who-say-that-bulma#notes
But yeah, most of the evidence seems to indicate that Yamcha was pretty committed to Bulma and Bulma just wasn’t all that into him anymore. Which is fine and doesn’t make Bulma a whore, because a whore is someone who has sex for money, not a woman who ends a relationship that she isn’t happy with and ends up dating another man. But, since OP is a misogynistic douchebag with a case of Nice Guy Syndrome, apparently he thinks that both those actions are the same thing. Also, if someone is being a misogynistic douchebag, then I will say that they’re being a misogynistic douchebag and I am not even sorry if anyone views it as “bashing”.
Honestly, I think that Bulma and Yamcha probably had a mutual breakup, because they seem to get along still and Yamcha is one of the few people who knows about Vegeta being Trunks’ father right away.
Asked by Anonymous
Apparently now I get asked to critique DBZ and LOK. Cool.
Well, I think that people who say that Bulma cheated are just as stupid and annoying as the people who say Yamcha cheated. As I’ve discussed in other posts, there’s very little evidence that Yamcha cheated on Bulma, because Future Trunks is a third-hand biased source who doesn’t even seem sure that’s what happened. Likewise, there’s very little evidence that Bulma cheated on Yamcha. Since I can’t emphasize this enough:
IT’S CALLED A FUCKING BREAKUP; IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!
Bulma being pregnant with Trunks isn’t proof that she cheated on Yamcha; it’s proof that she and Yamcha broke up and that after that happened, Bulma started having some sort of sexual relationship with Vegeta, and whatever method of birth control she was using just happened to fail, because Bulma and Vegeta’s sexual relationship is a plot device so that Future Trunks can exist. (I assume that Bulma must have been using some kind of birth control, as there was no way that she was living with Yamcha for that long and not tapping dat ass. And then there’s the 10 year or more age difference between Bulma’s two children and the fact that the majority of the characters are only children. So yeah.)
Occasionally the “Bulma is the one who cheated” argument comes up every now and then, often with misogynist comments about Bulma being promiscuous and/or people saying that because Bulma flirted with or ogled other guys, it must mean that she sleeps around on whoever she was dating. That argument doesn’t make sense. Yes, Bulma did have an unfair double standard in her relationship with Yamcha where she would get super pissed off at him when other women flirted him (even though Yamcha rarely, if ever, flirted back) but while that’s an indication that Bulma has controlling behavior, it’s not proof that she ever cheated on Yamcha. Also, Bulma finds a lot of one-shot characters attractive, so does that mean that she slept with them all? I doubt it. I sure as hell don’t sleep with everyone I think is attractive, and neither do you.
Anyway, both arguments that demonize either Bulma or Yamcha for “cheating” based on basically no evidence are equally stupid and annoying. Granted, “Bulma cheated” doesn’t show up nearly as often as “Yamcha cheated” but both of them use the same backwards logic. Why the hell is the idea that Bulma and Yamcha broke up and then Bulma started having a relationship with Vegeta so implausible to so many people? It happens all the time in real life. Not to mention, Bulma and Yamcha were an off and on couple in DB and would fight and break-up periodically, so maybe this was the one time where they broke up and it stuck.
Additionally, Bulma is a very assertive person and is very demanding about what she wants. It just doesn’t fit with her personality for her continue to be in a relationship with Yamcha if she’s unhappy with it and then to satisfy her loneliness or some idiotic fanfic cliché like that by sleeping with Vegeta on the side. If Bulma didn’t want to be in a relationship with Yamcha anymore, she would outright tell him, not continue to be in a relationship with Yamcha because of reasons while cheating on him with Vegeta. And, for all we know maybe Yamcha was the one to initiate the breakup or it was mutual.
One of the good things about this love triangle (if it even was a serious love triangle) is that unlike the clusterfuck in LOK, it happened almost entirely off-screen and didn’t have a bunch of badly written drama that undermined the characters who were involved or resulted in some of them getting sidelined. (Granted, Yamcha and even Bulma were sidelined with reduced screentime, but that wasn’t because of the romance; it was because the show ended up focusing more and more on Saiyan and half-Sayian characters.)
Unfortunately, some of the fans had to create a lot of drama out of it and so fics and ideas about the three year period where everyone was training for the androids/cyborgs that are about this love triangle usually result in someone getting demonized and experiencing character derailment. (See, three years is plenty of time for Bulma and Yamcha to break-up, and for Bulma to get in a relationship with Vegeta and to have a baby with him.) Usually it’s Yamcha who gets derailed, but the stuff where it happens to Bulma isn’t pretty either. Interestingly Vegeta doesn’t seem to get character derailment over this off-screen romance. I guess it’s like a bad meme, where a few people wrote a fics derailing Yamcha and glorifying Bulma/Vegeta and so other people decided they were good because they got reviews and ended up writing the exact same thing.
Sorry that this kind of turned into a rant, but the short answer is that people who say “Bulma cheated” are using the same backwards logic as the people who say “Yamcha cheated”. If someone wants to defend Yamcha from the rabid B/V shippers then that’s great, but if they have to demonize Bulma to do it, then they’re just as bad and annoying as the fanbrats who think that Yamcha is somehow a threat to their ship. Just like there’s little, if any, proof that Yamcha cheated on Bulma, there’s also little, if any, proof that Bulma was cheating on Yamcha. Yamcha and Bulma breaking up before B/V happens isn’t at all far-fetched of an idea; people end relationships in real life by breaking up all of the time. Especially those two, they would fight and breakup a lot in DB and so maybe this time it stuck. And once again, I don’t get why people have to create high school and soap opera drama over something that occurred off-screen.